Ep. 7 - GENDER (Pt. 1&2)
Episode Info & Credits
Guests:
Twitter: @Emer_OToole
Emer O'Toole (Part 1) is associate professor of Irish Performance Studies at Concordia University. She writes for publications including The Guardian and The Irish Times. Her book, Girls Will Be Girls, attempts to make the theory of gender performativity accessible and fun.
Books mentioned in this interview:
There’s A Good Girl by Marianne Grabrucker
Girls Will Be Girls by Emer O’Toole
How Babies Talk by Roberta Michnick Golinkoff and Kathy Hirsh-Pasek
Instagram: @ConversationsOfficial
Leo Wolters-Tejera (Part 2) is a disenfranchised, post evangelical, queer, non-binary, artist and human, Leo has felt called to be a pastor from the age of five. Throughout the process of coming out as a lesbian, then as trans, then as non-binary, Leo has often been told, both verbally and non verbally, that they wanted to be a part of the church, but the church did not want Leo to be a part of it. As a by product of this exodus from evangelicalism, Leo found themself to be longing for the old idea of church and being a pastor. But that was no longer a concept that fit. After much critical thought, and endless hours of processing, Leo came to realize that what they were longing for was the good parts of church. The community. The transcendence of pushing on the boundaries of what you think you know. The gut level experiences of emotion and intellectual engagement in a group of people who are gathered for the same reasons.
Outside of Conversations, Leo enjoys public speaking, playing music, and engaging in the act of creation. Leo is a parent, partner, and small business owner alongside Leo’s wife, the incomparable Elle WT.
Other Credits/Thanks:
Thanks to Lori Mannette for making a reprise appearance on this episode. You can hear more from Lori in our episode BODIES (Part 2). Dana Gertz designed our logo and primary artwork. You can(‘t) find Dana’s work at www.gertzdesign.com. And thanks to my family: Jenny, Harrison, and Ezra, for making it possible for “The Talk” to exist at all.
